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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
		<link>http://www.inforipple.com/2010/05/rights-risk-and-regulation/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 16:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen,

Individual rights must be defined precisely, or, like you said, many individuals will claim to have a right to do something which causes havoc for their neighbors. But this isn&#039;t a problem with individual rights, it is simply confusion about what is a right and what isn&#039;t.

Frequently, these issues arise in the context of property use. For example, an individual may claim to have a right to heat his home by burning wood in his fireplace. But if he is causing wood smoke to drift across his neighbors&#039; property and into their homes, he has exceeded the limits of his right and begun to infringe on the rights of his neighbors.

Of course, people cannot live in a community without some give-and-take, because they crowd each other with the activities of their daily living. But that doesn&#039;t mean that the individual rights discussion should be discarded. No other philosophy of government has legitimacy. Fascism, socialism, communism, dictatorships, etc. may be efficient and easy to administer, but there are more important values than efficiency and ease.

As for your comment about societal benefits, I have to disagree. Roads, electricity, hospitals, clean water, and an ample food supply are not the property or product of society; they are the product of individuals--sometimes working in collaboration--to produce goods. Society as such does not produce anything. Every act is done by an individual. If a group of men build a road, it is not society that has built it, it is those men, and they have the right to it. If another group has paid for the building of the road, then the have purchased the builders&#039; rights. The road doesn&#039;t come from or belong to society; it belongs to those who have paid for it. Sadly this easy tracing of property rights becomes all muddled when government taxes the citizens and then pays for things using the tax money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,</p>
<p>Individual rights must be defined precisely, or, like you said, many individuals will claim to have a right to do something which causes havoc for their neighbors. But this isn&#8217;t a problem with individual rights, it is simply confusion about what is a right and what isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Frequently, these issues arise in the context of property use. For example, an individual may claim to have a right to heat his home by burning wood in his fireplace. But if he is causing wood smoke to drift across his neighbors&#8217; property and into their homes, he has exceeded the limits of his right and begun to infringe on the rights of his neighbors.</p>
<p>Of course, people cannot live in a community without some give-and-take, because they crowd each other with the activities of their daily living. But that doesn&#8217;t mean that the individual rights discussion should be discarded. No other philosophy of government has legitimacy. Fascism, socialism, communism, dictatorships, etc. may be efficient and easy to administer, but there are more important values than efficiency and ease.</p>
<p>As for your comment about societal benefits, I have to disagree. Roads, electricity, hospitals, clean water, and an ample food supply are not the property or product of society; they are the product of individuals&#8211;sometimes working in collaboration&#8211;to produce goods. Society as such does not produce anything. Every act is done by an individual. If a group of men build a road, it is not society that has built it, it is those men, and they have the right to it. If another group has paid for the building of the road, then the have purchased the builders&#8217; rights. The road doesn&#8217;t come from or belong to society; it belongs to those who have paid for it. Sadly this easy tracing of property rights becomes all muddled when government taxes the citizens and then pays for things using the tax money.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.inforipple.com/2010/05/rights-risk-and-regulation/#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find the individual rights discussion often leaves me frustrated.  I do believe that people have the right to pursue their individual needs, to a certain point, but unfortunately many people take that right to mean they should not be hindered in any way.  We live in a &quot;society&quot; that by its very nature requires that we share a common space and resources - thus always demanding some level of accomidation for others needs.  Unfortunately, many of the &quot;individualists&quot; that seem to resent the required consideration of others needs, do not seem to have any problem utilizing the societal benefits such as roads, electricity, hospitals, clean water and an ample food supply.  In summary, if one does not want to consider the needs of others at some level, I would ask (strongly encourage) them to live alone, far away from everyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the individual rights discussion often leaves me frustrated.  I do believe that people have the right to pursue their individual needs, to a certain point, but unfortunately many people take that right to mean they should not be hindered in any way.  We live in a &#8220;society&#8221; that by its very nature requires that we share a common space and resources &#8211; thus always demanding some level of accomidation for others needs.  Unfortunately, many of the &#8220;individualists&#8221; that seem to resent the required consideration of others needs, do not seem to have any problem utilizing the societal benefits such as roads, electricity, hospitals, clean water and an ample food supply.  In summary, if one does not want to consider the needs of others at some level, I would ask (strongly encourage) them to live alone, far away from everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
		<link>http://www.inforipple.com/2010/05/rights-risk-and-regulation/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=7037&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is a good explanation&lt;/a&gt; of the difference between economic libertarians and natural rights/deontological libertarians. The most relevant portion begins at 30 minutes in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=7037" rel="nofollow">Here is a good explanation</a> of the difference between economic libertarians and natural rights/deontological libertarians. The most relevant portion begins at 30 minutes in.</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
		<link>http://www.inforipple.com/2010/05/rights-risk-and-regulation/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 04:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jamie,

Don&#039;t get me started on Ayn Rand. She had some good ideas, but her unnecessary and rather misguided hostility toward religion may have damned the libertarian movement to eternal obscurity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me started on Ayn Rand. She had some good ideas, but her unnecessary and rather misguided hostility toward religion may have damned the libertarian movement to eternal obscurity.</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
		<link>http://www.inforipple.com/2010/05/rights-risk-and-regulation/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 04:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sean,

I recognize and accept the point from an efficiency standpoint, but I just can&#039;t get around the need for a principled justification for any and all government infringements of liberty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>I recognize and accept the point from an efficiency standpoint, but I just can&#8217;t get around the need for a principled justification for any and all government infringements of liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.inforipple.com/2010/05/rights-risk-and-regulation/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 16:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You know Mr. Rearden, there are no absolute standards. We can&#039;t go by rigid principles, we&#039;ve got to be flexible, we&#039;ve got to adjust to the reality of the day and act on the expediency of the moment.&quot; 

Ayn Rand from Atlas Shrugged, illustrating the opposite end of the spectrum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You know Mr. Rearden, there are no absolute standards. We can&#8217;t go by rigid principles, we&#8217;ve got to be flexible, we&#8217;ve got to adjust to the reality of the day and act on the expediency of the moment.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ayn Rand from Atlas Shrugged, illustrating the opposite end of the spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.inforipple.com/2010/05/rights-risk-and-regulation/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 04:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that&#039;s a fairly good way of looking at what should and shouldn&#039;t be regulated.  I think an easier example to make your point is  drunk driving.  Any particular drunk driver carries only the risk of harm to others, and most of those arrested for DUI haven&#039;t harmed anyone.  But most thinking people believe drunk driving should be prohibited.  

I&#039;m uncomfortable with the litigation solution for all other ills.  I suspect that forcing everyone to court for all non-irreparable harm damages is good in theory, but a lousy solution in reality.  The costs of court - not just attorney fees, but education, time &amp; opportunity costs - are significant and create a fairly high threshold for getting into court by default.  

The left doesn&#039;t like this solution because the poor are much less likely &amp; able to use courts (or &quot;have access&quot;).  The right doesn&#039;t like this solution because the costs often make it cheaper for defendants to fold on a nonmeritoroius claim than fight it.  And nobody likes that this solution funnels vast amounts of money through attorneys to resolve situations that could be resolve more cheaply by statute or prevention.  

If the costs &amp; requirements of going to court as a plaintiff or defendant were negligible, and courts could reliably get damages right, I&#039;d agree with you.  But disproportionately large damage awards, filing fees, defense fees, discovery costs, etc - all those things suggest to me that courts should be used only in &quot;big&quot; instances of harm, not in all non-irreparable instances. 

This is why I think some regulation ought to go past preventing non-irreparable harm.  The question of whether regulation should focus on prevention or reparation hinges on the nature &amp; extent of the damages.  I know that erases any nice bright line - the type of lines that libertarians love to draw - but I don&#039;t think life has easy bright lines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s a fairly good way of looking at what should and shouldn&#8217;t be regulated.  I think an easier example to make your point is  drunk driving.  Any particular drunk driver carries only the risk of harm to others, and most of those arrested for DUI haven&#8217;t harmed anyone.  But most thinking people believe drunk driving should be prohibited.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m uncomfortable with the litigation solution for all other ills.  I suspect that forcing everyone to court for all non-irreparable harm damages is good in theory, but a lousy solution in reality.  The costs of court &#8211; not just attorney fees, but education, time &amp; opportunity costs &#8211; are significant and create a fairly high threshold for getting into court by default.  </p>
<p>The left doesn&#8217;t like this solution because the poor are much less likely &amp; able to use courts (or &#8220;have access&#8221;).  The right doesn&#8217;t like this solution because the costs often make it cheaper for defendants to fold on a nonmeritoroius claim than fight it.  And nobody likes that this solution funnels vast amounts of money through attorneys to resolve situations that could be resolve more cheaply by statute or prevention.  </p>
<p>If the costs &amp; requirements of going to court as a plaintiff or defendant were negligible, and courts could reliably get damages right, I&#8217;d agree with you.  But disproportionately large damage awards, filing fees, defense fees, discovery costs, etc &#8211; all those things suggest to me that courts should be used only in &#8220;big&#8221; instances of harm, not in all non-irreparable instances. </p>
<p>This is why I think some regulation ought to go past preventing non-irreparable harm.  The question of whether regulation should focus on prevention or reparation hinges on the nature &amp; extent of the damages.  I know that erases any nice bright line &#8211; the type of lines that libertarians love to draw &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think life has easy bright lines.</p>
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